Posted: 3:59 pm Tuesday, May 6th, 2014

Here’s what it would cost to land Jadeveon Clowney 

By D. Orlando Ledbetter

South Carolina defensive end Jadeveon Clowney.  (Streeter Lecka/Getty Images)

South Carolina defensive end Jadeveon Clowney.
(Streeter Lecka/Getty Images)

Here’s what it would cost for the Falcons to trade up to the No. 1 spot to land Jadeveon Clowney.

The Falcons have to make up 1,400 points in the Draft Trade Value Chart.

After the Falcons and Texans flopped first-round picks there would be 1,400 point differential. The Falcons’ second-round pick (530 points) and third-round pick (250 points) this year, would leave them short of 620 points.

The Falcons would likely have to send next season’s first-round pick to make up the difference, if they believe the Falcons will draft 30th or lower next season.

If the Falcons win the Super Bowl, the 32nd pick would have the value of 590.

Let’s sum that up, it would be a 4-for-1 trade.

–Falcons would get No. 1 overall 2014 pick.

–Texas would get No. 6 overall 2014, No. 37 (second), No. 68 (third) and next year’s No. 1.

Would you make that deal?.

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125 comments
DawgNole
DawgNole

Falcons73

1 day ago

@reallygroovy - What's the Falcons record under Thomas Dimitroff?

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You mean PLAYOFF record, of course? Right? You know, the record that MATTERS? Yeah, what's the Falcons' PLAYOFF record under TD? Hello?

DawgNole
DawgNole

Can't believe this team--the Falcons--would even consider trading away draft choices to move further up after seeing the results of such foolishness following the deal for Julio Jones. Yes, Jones is a talent, but he's injury prone. Yes, Clowney's a talent, but he's injury prone. And the loss of draft picks is devastating for years. 

Astounding that--given the DIRECT experience the Falcons have with such moves--the team would even remotely entertain the idea of doing it AGAIN. Hello?!

OL clearly is the area in most need of help--just like it was a year ago. You did NOTHING then, Dimitroff, and you got what you paid for (4-12). You have the opportunity here to at least partially make up for your prior incompetence. Don't blow it now!

wreckbuzz
wreckbuzz

The chart is a guideline and totally ignores other factors like leverage and what player the team at #1 really wants.  This situation is more like the Eli Manning trade between the Chargers and Giants than it is the RGIII trade between the Rams and Redskins.  The Giants had the leverage in that situation because Manning didn't want to play for SD.  The Rams had the leverage because RGIII was the only "franchise" QB on the board after the Colts would take Andrew Luck.  The Giants only had to give up the current year's 3rd rd pk, the next year's 1st rd pk and a 5th.  The Redskins gave up the current year's 2nd rd pk and the 1st rd picks for the next 2 seasons!!  Neither of those trade packages are in line with the "Draft Trade Value Chart".  


Here Clowney is not the scheme fit for the Texans and they are lacking the most important position, QB.  But because the QB's they are more a fit for (Bortles or Bridgewater) are not viewed as top 5 picks they are the ones that NEED to trade more so than the Falcons, who can sit at 6 and draft their 2nd highest need at OT.


That's why the reports are surfacing that the Texans demands have softened the closer we come to the draft.  When they get on the clock then ALL the leverage will fall to the Falcons.

harworkinman
harworkinman

How could the Falcons even consider mortgaging that much for Clowney? Right now, they do not have a proven running back (Jackson was ineffective and hurt much of last season). The offensive line is still not solidified. Trade down and get more quality picks to strengthen the weak areas.

MikeJay
MikeJay

D,  you are the only person I see claiming that it will take that many picks to move up.  To much talent in this draft for the "book" you are refrencing for your article to be accurate.  Plus, there is little competition to move up, everyone and their mother want to move down.  Swap 1st, a 3-4th this year and next years 1st will be all it takes/as much as Falcons are willing to give up.  That scenario makes sense and I would pull the trigger.

Tybalt
Tybalt

It was insanity to give away the world to draft Julio Jones who has proven to be vastly overrated (due to an "inability to stay healthy").  Having that lesson in hand, it would be criminally negligent to make a similar deal for Clowney whose future performance is in no way guaranteed.

BigAlHeBDMan
BigAlHeBDMan

The main reason I think the trade for Clowney will be made is because TD and MS are on a short leash and have to win NOW! They must gamble the team's future, and it's a no lose situation for them, because they might not be around to see the future.   

EricEllis
EricEllis

No dice.  That's way too much compensation for 5 spots.  I just don't think Clowney is worth a Julio type trade to be honest, especially when they can already guarantee to fill a much needed position on the OL with the 6th pick and retain all of their later picks.  If they needed a QB and it was Andrew Luck then I'd go for the trade proposed but not a DL coming off a bad year who doesn't seem to have much of a work ethic, talented though he may be...

GWright69
GWright69

OT in the 1st and Dee Ford should be available at 37

Mora-less-Petrino
Mora-less-Petrino

An article on a sports web site claims that the Falcons are not willing to give up their 2nd round pick to trade up. Who knows how acurate any of the speculation is?

If the price is swapping first round picks and a 3rd or 4th round pick this year, and next years 1st round selection, then the deal may be a bit more digestable. I'm hoping the Birds trade down, but the drama will play out tomorrw.

TheBanshee
TheBanshee

Not NO, But  HELLLLLLLLL  NOOOOOO!!!!!!!

FalconsVoice
FalconsVoice

There are some things i like about Clowney.... but my concern is that he's the kinda guy that would be more interested in a nice fat paycheck than he would be in playing the game.  I don't doubt that he has the potential to be a once in a lifetime impact player.... i really just wonder if he's the kinda guy that will give you 100% all the time.... and has the desire to work on his game and becoming a better teammate and player.  The Falcons have so many other needs to fill and they have so many picks to use to fill those needs.  They also need depth in areas too.  The O line needs some major help.  If you can't protect Matty Ice then you will not be successful.  I would rather wait til the 2nd round and get Demarcus Lawrence from Boise St.  He has the attitude and the swagger and the work ethic that would fit our style of play.  Just sayin.....

maconexpress
maconexpress

I would stay at 6 and take the best OT available.

1) Greg Robinson-OT

2) Jake Matthews-OT

3) Taylor Lewan-OT

I hope our draft look something like this tomorrow:

Round 1 Greg Robinson-OT

Round 2 Dominique Easley-DT/DE

Round 3 Jeremiah Attaochu-OLB/DE

Round 4 Cyril Richardson-OG

Round 5 Andre Williams-RB

Round 6 Garrison Smith-DT

Round 7 Connor Shaw-QB

tmc
tmc

No way. Got to many holes to fill to be giving them away for anyone.

If the Falcons make this deal, they will be alienating their fan base.

GABROWNFAM
GABROWNFAM

It's not worth it.  Falcons have more need at multiple positions and one guy (even if he is amazing) is not going to fulfill all their needs.

rockyfields
rockyfields

Nope...This is one of the richest drafts in years and the terms req1uire giving up too much.  Khalil Mack would be a very worthy addition and would not cost as much if we had to trade up a spot or two to get him.  


Really?!
Really?!

Helllllllllllllllll naw!!!!!!!!!!! The reason Atlanta have no depth on either line is because TD ALWAYS wants to move up. Julio is a good player but look at what he cost us and he's already missed basically an entire season. Only a total idiot would trade away so much to move up 5 spots no matter who the pick was.


Let's assume the pick would be clowney.  When spurrier a coach known for looking the other way and letting his players do whatever they want with no repercussions barely endorses clowney that's a huge red flag.  Spurrier said clowney's work ethic was "okay". Clowney only put in a semi effort after Spurrier called him out  in the media.  Still not concerned?


680 the fan reported they polled local hip hop stars and the majority of them thought Atlanta should give up whatever it took to get Clowney.  It would be bad enough that Clowney is known to be lazy and suddenly has tons of cash but throw in Atlanta's hip hop community partying with Clowney all night every night and the clown man would be lucky to make it to the games on Sunday semi sober. 

LostGoat
LostGoat

atl need to clean house and get rid a ton of deadwood on that overpaid roster and get some top Olinemen and RBs to win in this league--they don't need some d-lineman who takes a bunch of plays off

KBP
KBP

Yep, I'd make that deal. If he turns out to be a once in a lifetime player, then it's a steal. We need someone to pressure Brees and Newton and whomever Tampa lines up under center. This is a very deep draft according to the experts and finding O-linemen in the later rounds may not be a bad thing.  Adding him to our core players would make us relevant for many years to come. If he's Aundray Bruce, then the whole front office will get fired. If he's Reggie White, Bruce Smith, JJ Watt, or some other game plan wrecker, then the front office will get raises and extensions. Make the deal.

C-Kirk
C-Kirk

What has Pro ball evolved into?  Relatively high scoring games. 27-24, 36 - 28 , 42 - 38. We don't have games end up  10 - 7 or  17 - 14 , anymore. But , the Defense can not let a game get out of hand. If they only give up 21 or 24 points , that is okay, it is the new standard.  Being   successful in Pro Ball today is making  sure your OFFENSE can keep up.  We have a great Quarterback and leveraged everything to get a great Receiver , now it is time to protect Ryan and give him time to work his magic. Our running game will benefit from having a great Offensive Line also.

C-Kirk
C-Kirk

Not just NO, but HELL NO, would I trade up to get Clowney .  The Falcons better protect their franchise Quarterback. Another year like last year and in 2015 we will have to use our top pick for a Quarterback.  I would take Matthews first and then if he is already gone take the next best Offensive Lineman . Then I would use my 2ND round pick to get another Offensive Lineman. When the Falcons completely ignored getting an Offensive Lineman in last years Draft it devastated the rest of the Offense. This year is trying to make up for  last years lack of intelligence. 

DaveDaniel
DaveDaniel

 That's a completely bogus comparison. There is noway he will cost the full rate of the draft chart. That was largely designed for quarterbacks and if we are the only people at the table they will take less.


UGA76
UGA76

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Is that clear enough?

doggoneit
doggoneit

No. what part of that did you not understand?

DarlaLewis
DarlaLewis

Hell no, the Falcons aren't a very good football team and sometimes are coached poorly. So you need those picks to solidify your team. Also there are players on the team who are injury prone Sam Baker, Julio Jones and Sean Weatherspoon. All are starters and when their out you can see the difference. If they would have drafted the right defensive ends and were able to coach them up Clowning wouldn't be an issue. The Falcons need a good offensive lineman period.

RBI
RBI

Trading up in the top 10 picks in this draft is a "sucker move"!

RBI
RBI

The reasons that DLed writes this exceptional article with only Draft pick compensation in a trade up scenario include:

1) Of all the Draft Day trades, the vast majority involve ONLY Draft picks,

2) the Draft Value Chart allows both sides to objectively judge the fairness of the trade, 

3) Roddy White is worth a LOT more than a 2nd/3rd Draft pick to the Falcons,


The reason many of the teams with a high draft pick are looking to trade down is they correctly realize that in this year's draft, getting multiple picks for moving down inside the top 10 picks is the smart move.  And, this is exactly the reason the Falcons should NOT trade up.  

If a defensive "difference maker" falls to the Falcons at pick 6, take him.  If not, make your pick at 6 or look to trade down (not UP) to get additional picks in this exceptional Draft crop.

Dman
Dman

Severall thoughts on this good artical. First, they don't have to,give up what you suggested above. There are other less painful ways to make this happen like off loading some players like Roddy White and maybe one of our young backup DE' or LB's. That way we can hold on to this years 2nd and 3rd. Second, no matter what we do, we will be a better team after the draft. We despretly need a difference maker on Defense. Clowney or Mack would give us that. Things are looking great for our Falcons. I believe in TD and the Falcons Management. They have delivered a winning team and I love watching them. Can't wait until tomorrow night.

BeastOPS
BeastOPS

I just don't understand why the point system values a pick (only 5 selections higher) that much of a difference!  These guys haven't even played a snap in the NFL.  The talent level between pick 1 and pick 6 shouldn't be that MUCH of a drop-off to warrant trading that many guys for.  I guess only time will tell.

kumon
kumon

NO, NO,  HELL NO!!!

GTHoschton
GTHoschton

who said we have to trade draft picks??? we could trade players for the pick!! who would you trade to get Clowney, 

macdaddyt
macdaddyt

I definitely agree that we should not trade up to get Clowney, but I think a trade to get back in the latter half of the first round is not a bad idea.

Also, to everyone discussing TD's horrible draft record, he does have a ton of draft picks still in the NFL. I love how everyone attacks TD, but no one says anything about the poor scheming on defense, AWFUL tackling fundamentals, and the amount of plays called on 3rd down defense with only 3 lineman rushing the passer - none of which have anything to do with TD.


Look at all of the good defenses in the NFL over the last 10 years (Jets, Bucs, Steelers, Seahawks, 49ers) that utilize press coverage and 5 pass rushers on at least half of third down plays. Our defense routinely runs a soft zone with eight in "coverage" on 2nd and 3rd and long situations. Why does no one say anything about our 10 yard cushions by our corners on 3rd and 8. Any competent quarterback in the NFL can throw a slant pass and comeback route for a first down against that type of scheme. 


Finally, don't give me that crap about "well we don't have the personnel for that." Our defense last year was "statistically" worse than 2012, but we played in the same number of games determined by 7 points or less. We simply didn't win them. Our offense carried the load for years and when the defense was asked to do it for one, it folded like a lawn chair.

BJohnDawg
BJohnDawg

Falcons are about 11 players away from the Super Bowl. the answer is NO!

UGADawg16
UGADawg16

I think if the Falcons were one hell raising pass rusher away from the Super Bowl then, yes, make the trade.  But I constantly hear that the Falcons need line"men" on both sides of the ball.  Linemen - plural - meaning they need more picks and not less.  Even assuming Clowney lives up to his billing - the Falcons need multiple bodies - and a team is only as good as it's weakest link.


If they trade, I'd prefer to see them trade down and acquire more picks.


I am not a NFL GM, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

Reidtt
Reidtt

Come on DLed, again? Get over it, WE ARE NOT DRAFTING THE CLOWN.

reallygroovy
reallygroovy

DRAFT aaron murray with your 6 pick if he is there , I would trade at end of first round to get tre Matthews from auburn, I would give all my 7th picks and next year 3rd and 7th for pick 25 on down to 32 , to get a running back , defensive end  or end of first get dee ford , so you have a left tackle and de  round one great choices to compete in aNFL.

KelvinFrazier
KelvinFrazier

@maconexpress  The Falcons have 2 4th's and 3 7th's round draft picks. So you are missing a few selections.

Dman
Dman

TD has drafted players and picked up free agents that have delivered 5 winning seasons out of the last 6. I'll take that for the next 6 years as well. I love the new management that took over after the Smith Family sold to Blank.

OriginalATLien
OriginalATLien

Umm, I believe it has to be a Holiday Inn Express for it to matter.

UGA76
UGA76

@CrescentMusicandMedia I'd take several of these guys over the Fantasy football geek we currently have that can't judge talent. 

Dman
Dman

We don't have to draft Murray in the first round. He will still be around in the fifth runs if we want to pick him.